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iamsomedude
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One guy walked into court with a copy of this information and stated to the judge: "I take silent judicial notice of your military tribunal and require civilian due process"

little old lady came soon afterward and just said that she "requires civilian due process" and the judges eyes almost popped out of his head.

~ Boris

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Resistance is futile.

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liberated
Boris you raised the question(s)

 who exactly are the "civilians"? Who and what is the "authority" over their affairs of which the military is subordinate?

14th Amendment section 4 - The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned....

The civilians would be people, us. If the military is subordinate to the civil, which I thought was the opposite in light of the Lieber code,  who then is the who and what is the authority over the civil if the civil authority does not exist since the emergency (military powers) exist?  I'm thinking if the civilian is always at peace then he/she has no authority over them so the who would be us and the peace is the authority. Thus the civilian authority, existent would be ONLY the people (self governing) and in peace. Anything other then peace is war (belligerent).  If this be the case appears to be simple, the only thing necessary is any alleged adversary has to acknowledge right of set off (exemption) and why it is so.
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iamsomedude
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Military IS subordinate to the Civil Authority, once that Authority shows up.

Now the question remains: WHO, or more precisely WHAT, constitutes the Civil Authority since all are PRESUMED belligerent or "lost at sea" or at war?

Until then, the Reconstruction Acts are till in full force and effect; the current voting system is the evidence, for that voting system came into being as a DIRECT result of those Acts.


From 12 U.S. Op Atty. Gen. 182:  We see clearly enough that this act contemplates two distinct governments in each of these ten States: the one military, the other civil. The civil government is recognized as existing at the date of the act. The military government is created by the act.

Both are provisional, and both are to continue until the new State constitution is framed and the State is admitted to representation in Congress. When that event takes place, both these provisional governments are to cease.
 

The "civil authority" that existed at the date of the act is the Commercial Government (United States Inc.) and this "civil authority" was subservient to the military authority BEFORE the reconstruction acts for that "civil authority" existed to service the "government of the people, by the people, and for the people" (the Republic) ... thus there is a Democracy within a Republic and right now, the Democracy STANDS-IN-PLACE of the Civil Authority for the Beneficiaries of the Republic have yet to STAND (ie: the second coming of Christ) and the Military stands as TRUSTEE over the Republic while Congress stands as the Trustee over the Democracy and governs their "property interests" under Article IV Section 3 Clause 2 of the US Constitution; asking for Civilian Due Process brings one back under the protections of the Military: civilians are PROTECTED-PERSONS, for one is ENTITLED to such for one is a Beneficiary of the Republican Forms of Government held in TRUST by the Military. (BC = Article 38 receipt for indemnity)

AND to protect the Trust (To save the country is paramount to all other considerations. - Article 5, Lieber Code), Martial Law SUPPLEMENTS Common Law AND Though active hostilities cease, state of war exists until peace is fully established; Furthermore, The rule that certain of the enemy's subjects are to be treated as non-combatants gives rise to the correlative duty on their part to refrain from acts of hostility. This obligation is enforced with great rigor by the dominant power.

Inhabitants of the country militarily occupied are not permitted to make war as they please, being soldiers one day and engaged in peaceful pursuits the next. In the instructions for United States enemies such persons are called war rebels.
 
(read: Military Government and Martial Law)


The entire world has been SUBDUED pursuant to Genesis Dominion and this is what the Military protects; it is the PEOPLE of whom are STILL in rebellion for until one shows one walks with spirit of Christ (ie: love, hope, faith and forgiveness) in their Heart, one is just another heathen.

OBSERVE the Divine Laws through knowledge of our Father resulting from following the Teachings of Jesus Christ and receive "the Lot of His Inheritance"



~ Boris

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liberated
anybody see and read the following from Field Manual 27-10 (1956)

46. Such Buildings to Display Sign Specified inNaval Treaty
a. Treaty Provision.
It is the duty of the inhabitants to indicate such monuments,
edifices, or places by visible signs, which shall consist of large
stiff rectangular panels divided diagonally into two coloured triangular
portions, the upper portion black, the lower portion
white. (a.ZX, art 5,Zd par.)
6. Application of Rule. The foregoing rule adopted in this convention
for naval warfare may be adopted for protecting buildings
under bombardment in land warfare.
c. Use of Foregoing for MiZitary Purposes. The besieging forces
are not required to observe the signs indicating inviolability of
buildings that are known to be used for military purposes, such as
quarters, aareliouses, observation posts, or signal installations.


Certainly would be a good thing to post the sign if one considers themselves ot claims to be a civilian
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Jo King
doc42_SAN.pdf

Do you mean...like this  [see attached]
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liberated
Similar.   Not sure why the 12 usc code was put on that doc but that is for another topic

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doc42_SAN.pdf

Do you mean...like this  [see attached]


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Jo King
The document clearly shows that it {the stamp} is the mark of the signatory.  The naked owner does not wish to extend the physical capabilities to the name beyond a rubber stamp.  matters not what the stamp says, it is the mark of the signatory.
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iamsomedude
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We are taking the "cock-block" to the next level.

Below are a judicial notice based off the PD Letter we used in Federal Court and a Motion for Civilian Due Process and what to state in court. Enjoy.


Judicial Notice and Motion for Civilian Due Process



For the Lord your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward: He doth execute the judgment of the fatherless and widow, and loveth the stranger, in giving him food and raiment.  Deuteronomy 10:17-18
~ Boris

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iamsomedude
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Protocol Additional to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949, and relating to the Protection of Victims of International Armed Conflicts (Protocol I), 8 June 1977.
Definition of civilians and civilian population

Article 50 -- Definition of civilians and civilian population

1. A civilian is any person who does not belong to one of the categories of persons referred to in Article 4 A (1), (2), (3) and (6) of the Third Convention and in Article 43 of this Protocol.
In case of doubt whether a person is a civilian, that person shall be considered to be a civilian.

Convention (III) relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War. Geneva, 12 August 1949.

Prisoners of waR

ARTICLE 4

Prisoners of war, in the sense of the present Convention, are persons belonging to one of the following categories, who have fallen into the power of the enemy

(1) Members of the armed forces of a Party to the conflict as well as members of militias or volunteer corps forming part of such armed forces.

 

(2) Members of other militias and members of other volunteer corps, including those of organized resistance movements, belonging to a Party to the conflict and operating in or outside their own territory, even if this territory is occupied, provided that such militias or volunteer corps, including such organized resistance movements, fulfill the following conditions:

(a) that of being commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates;

(b) that of having a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance;

(c) that of carrying arms openly;

(d) that of conducting their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war.

 

(3) Members of regular armed forces who profess allegiance to a government or an authority not recognized by the Detaining Power.

 

(6) Inhabitants of a non-occupied territory, who on the approach of the enemy spontaneously take up arms to resist the invading forces, without having had time to form themselves into regular armed units, provided they carry arms openly and respect the laws and customs of war.

 

Protocol Additional to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949, and relating to the Protection of Victims of International Armed Conflicts (Protocol I), 8 June 1977.

Armed forces

Article 43 -- Armed forces

1. The armed forces of a Party to a conflict consist of all organized armed forces, groups and units which are under a command responsible to that Party for the conduct of its subordinates, even if that Party is represented by a government or an authority not recognized by an adverse Party. Such armed forces shall be subject to an internal disciplinary system which, ' inter alia ', shall enforce compliance with the rules of international law applicable in armed conflict.

 

2. Members of the armed forces of a Party to a conflict (other than medical personnel and chaplains covered by Article 33 of the Third Convention) are combatants, that is to say, they have the right to participate directly in hostilities.

 

3. Whenever a Party to a conflict incorporates a paramilitary or armed law enforcement agency into its armed forces it shall so notify the other Parties to the conflict.

2. The civilian population comprises all persons who are civilians.

3. The presence within the civilian population of individuals who do not come within the definition of civilians does not deprive the population of its civilian character.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Protocol Additional to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949, and relating to the Protection of Victims of International Armed Conflicts (Protocol I), 8 June 1977.

Protection of the civilian population

Article 51-- Protection of the civilian population

1. The civilian population and individual civilians shall enjoy general protection against dangers arising from military operations. To give effect to this protection, the following rules, which are additional to other applicable rules of international law, shall be observed in all circumstances.

 

2. The civilian population as such, as well as individual civilians, shall not be the object of attack. Acts or threats of violence the primary purpose of which is to spread terror among the civilian population are prohibited.

 

3. Civilians shall enjoy the protection afforded by this Section, unless and for such time as they take a direct part in hostilities.

 

4. Indiscriminate attacks are prohibited. Indiscriminate attacks are:

 

(a) those which are not directed at a specific military objective;

 

(b) those which employ a method or means of combat which cannot be directed at a specific military objective; or

 

(c) those which employ a method or means of combat the effects of which cannot be limited as required by this Protocol; and consequently, in each such case, are of a nature to strike military objectives and civilians or civilian objects without distinction.

 

5. Among others, the following types of attacks are to be considered as indiscriminate:

 

(a) an attack by bombardment by any methods or means which treats as a single military objective a number of clearly separated and distinct military objectives located in a city, town, village or other area containing a similar concentration of civilians or civilian objects; and

 

(b) an attack which may be expected to cause incidental loss of civilian life, injury to civilians, damage to civilian objects, or a combination thereof, which would be excessive in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage anticipated.

 

6. Attacks against the civilian population or civilians by way of reprisals are prohibited.

 

7. The presence or movements of the civilian population or individual civilians shall not be used to render certain points or areas immune from military operations, in particular in attempts to shield military objectives from attacks or to shield, favour or impede military operations. The Parties to the conflict shall not direct the movement of the civilian population or individual civilians in order to attempt to shield military objectives from attacks or to shield military operations.

 

8. Any violation of these prohibitions shall not release the Parties to the conflict from their legal obligations with respect to the civilian population and civilians, including the obligation to take the precautionary measures provided for in Article 57

 

Protocol Additional to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949, and relating to the Protection of Victims of International Armed Conflicts (Protocol I), 8 June 1977.

Precautions in attack

 

Article 57 -- Precautions in attack

1. In the conduct of military operations, constant care shall be taken to spare the civilian population, civilians and civilian objects.

 

2. With respect to attacks, the following precautions shall be taken:

(a) those who plan or decide upon an attack shall:

(i) do everything feasible to verify that the objectives to be attacked are neither civilians nor civilian objects and are not subject to special protection but are military objectives within the meaning of paragraph 2 of Article 52 and that it is not prohibited by the provisions of this Protocol to attack them;

 

Protocol Additional to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949, and relating to the Protection of Victims of International Armed Conflicts (Protocol I), 8 June 1977.

General protection of civilian objects

Article 52-- General protection of civilian objects

1. Civilian objects shall not be the object of attack or of reprisals. Civilian objects are all objects which are not military objectives as defined in paragraph 2.

2. Attacks shall be limited strictly to military objectives. In so far as objects are concerned, military objectives are limited to those objects which by their nature, location, purpose or use make an effective contribution to military action and whose total or partial destruction, capture or neutralization, in the circumstances ruling at the time, offers a definite military advantage.

3. In case of doubt whether an object which is normally dedicated to civilian purposes, such as a place of worship, a house or other dwelling or a school, is being used to make an effective contribution to military action, it shall be presumed not to be so used.

 

(ii) take all feasible precautions in the choice of means and methods of attack with a view to avoiding, and in any event to minimizing, incidental loss of civilian life, injury to civilians and damage to civilian objects;

(iii) refrain from deciding to launch any attack which may be expected to cause incidental loss of civilian life, injury to civilians, damage to civilian objects, or a combination thereof, which would be excessive in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage anticipated;

 

(b) an attack shall be cancelled or suspended if it becomes apparent that the objective is not a military one or is subject to special protection or that the attack may be expected to cause incidental loss of civilian life, injury to civilians, damage to civilian objects, or a combination thereof, which would be excessive in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage anticipated;

(c) effective advance warning shall be given of attacks which may affect the civilian population, unless circumstances do not permit.

 

3. When a choice is possible between several military objectives for obtaining a similar military advantage, the objective to be selected shall be that the attack on which may be expected to cause the least danger to civilian lives and to civilian objects.

 

4. In the conduct of military operations at sea or in the air, each Party to the conflict shall, in conformity with its rights and duties under the rules of international law applicable in armed conflict, take all reasonable precautions to avoid losses of civilian lives and damage to civilian objects.

 

5. No provision of this Article may be construed as authorizing any attacks against the civilian population, civilians or civilian objects.

 

~ Boris

We are called to be architects of the future, not its victims;
Resistance is futile.

If you think you can, you are correct.
If you think you can't, you are correct.
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liberated
That is some great information.
Any court, judge etal denying civil due process violates international law to which the United States is a signer,  Good stuff
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iamsomedude
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CIVILIAN due process .... NOT civil.
~ Boris

We are called to be architects of the future, not its victims;
Resistance is futile.

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Jo King
YES   that is a very important distinction.   Clerks of court and lawyers talk in "civil case, civil attorney, civil this and civil that but never CIVILIAN.    I was confused there for a while about the use of the word in their courts but I think we are talking different law forms.  International v  military.
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liberated
I'm happy I made that Freudian slip.  Costly error
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iamsomedude
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Yea, it is jurisdictional issue as all courts are constituted under a form of Martial Law; all attorneys are licensed to operate within that environment ONLY; therefore, for them to have "authority" there MUST exist the "war rebel" and the maxim of law is the inclusion of one is the exclusion of the other: a demand for civilian due process is a denial of being a "war rebel" and now to proceed, the maxim of law reads the burden lie on he who affirms, not on he who denies; the attorney bringing the claim needs to provide PROOF of the claim to one is a "war rebel" ... and simply using the ALL CAP NAME just doesn't cut it which the WHY for the asking of the warrant issued by the Treasury warranting the collection effort.

Now, this also corresponds to the Courts of Heaven for that is where one is brought to address the accusations by the Accusor. One would invoke the Courts of Heaven ask that the Scoll be read and then PRAY using the the blood of the lamb to wash those sins clean.

Well, each court case is just an accusation that one is NOT worthy of entrance into the Kingdom and if you are undergoing some sort of trial or tribulation, there must be something there granting the 'lil devils jurisdiction and it ain't the NAME, it is the operator: much like the problem with most computers is the space between the keyboard and the seat, ask any IT guy about that one.





Military jurisdiction is treated in the following pages in its two branches of Military Government and Martial Law. The former is exercised over enemy territory; the latter over loyal territory of the State enforcing it ...

The enemy territory over which military government is established may be either without the territorial boundaries of the dominant State, or comprise districts occupied by rebels treated as belligerents within those boundaries.

It has, however, been determined by numerous decisions of the Supreme Federal Tribunal that, for all war purposes, districts thus occupied by rebels are foreign. From a belligerent Point of view, therefore, the theatre of military government is necessarily foreign territory. Moreover, military government may be exercised not only during the time that war is flagrant, but down to the period when it comports with the policy of the dominant power to establish civil jurisdiction.

On the other hand, martial law as here considered is purely a domestic fact, being instituted only within districts which, in contemplation of law, are friendly. However it may be brought into existence, the key-note of the situation is that martial law is, as just stated, a domestic fact

The distinction is important. Military government is thus placed within the domain of international law, its rules the laws of war, while martial law is within the cognizance of municipal law ... ~ Military Government and Martial Law, first 4 points

~ Boris

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Resistance is futile.

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We the civilian's have to be recognized on the record.  If not on the record, then you are a fiction.  Look up recognize.
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iamsomedude
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then go put it on the record ... this is what is happening. One is stating this for the RECORD. so, f that phrase is missing, include "For the record..."

Thank you for reminding me ... besides, the Christmas gift takes care of it all anyhow.

~ Boris

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liberated
Appears any claim, lawsuit or charge falls within the meaning of attack, thus is one is a civilian why is someone within the military operation/occupation, ie attorney seeking to do harm against a civilian, better yet "judge should you not sequester this man/woman acting as an attorney for attacking me a civilian?" Sure goes against 2. The civilian population as such, as well as individual civilians, shall not be the object of attack. Acts or threats of violence the primary purpose of which is to spread terror among the civilian population are prohibited.
Damn they seem to do threats of arrest all the time.  hmmmm  of course they don't call them threats, sometimes they call them mental evaluations while you get threatened along the way and treated like a dog.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/attack
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Jo King
Good evaluation,,,,,,  Clarification   claim, lawsuit or charge absent proof of claim under penalty of perjury.
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