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Hillbilly
Are you a US citizen? Yes according to my US Senators. You have no choice.  So I'm guessing that all these government SOB's believe we're  voluntarily accepting citizenship and thus the responsibilities of the US government. Was thinking  having the title of US citizen is not necessarily a bad thing if the government understands it was not voluntary on your part. Just some thoughts
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non
You is, thee may not be though

One gets nailed to the cross, and suffers, due to not knowing the meaning of words

for example, "suffer" means "allow"

I note mention of "my senator" ..well congress assembled is outside the republic that is for certain

Do I have an answer ?  I do not know, my role is to point out that words is all important, vitally so..
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Hillbilly
Thank you for pointing that out. The brainwashing runs deep!
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Logos
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Hillbilly wrote
Are you a US citizen? Yes according to my US Senators. You have no choice.
Your being a citizen is just a presumption on their part. If I challenged a gov't operative to "put up or shut up" that I applied for citizenship and took the oath per 2 Stat. 153 they'd agree to the words I'd put in their mouths that I'm not. Citizenship is a class of servitude, making one a gov't resource. Thus it is and must be voluntary, else it would be involuntary servitude--the prohibition of which is rightfully one of the highest laws on this world. To Uncle Sam's credit, he doesn't go there.

Gov't speaks through the laws it enacts, not the uninformed opinions of its minions who are as clueless as everyone else.
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Logos
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non wrote
I note mention of "my senator" ..well congress assembled is outside the republic that is for certain
The Senate is the renamed Confederation Congress (The United States of America) which has been in continuous session since the beginning, while the House is more the territorial gov't side (United States).

America is not a republic but a Confederacy  per the 2nd Organic Law, the Articles of Confederation Article I. The Confederacy's territorial gov't, United States, is not a republic either as it isn't really organized into three branches; the President is basically a salaried flunky of Congress and the Supreme Court is administrative/legislative, not judicial.
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Excellent points,... thanx for sharing!!  a:)


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Your being a citizen is just a presumption on their part. If I challenged them to "put up or shut up" that I applied for citizenship and took the oath per 2 Stat. 153 they'd agree to the words I'd put in their mouths that I'm not.

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Logos
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I forgot to mention:

To (sort of) get around the application/oath requirement gov't has enacted laws by which, under various circumstances, it extends us the presumption of admission to citizenship. It is in government's interest to do so, that is, for us to believe we are citizens and thus responsible for discharging the duties/obligations of that "office", e.g. settling income tax debts.

This gimmick works out as long as they respect your procedural right--which they do--of challenging their presumption, which few people exercise.
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The united States of America is a confederacy which is an just an association of "people who govern themselves" formed by way of Declaration of Independence ... FIRST MIDDLE LAST is ALWAYS Citizen of the United States for we each have "an estate within the united State of America with matching estate in United States." (btw: UNITED STATES is the ORATION of the CORPUS (the sound those letters "t-h-e u-n-i-t-e-d s-t-a-t-e-s" make when combined and spoken = "language of the illiterate" = the spoken-word))

There exists no DE-FACTO nor DE-JURE "government" because the Declaration of Independence forbids PERMANENCE with this one line:  "That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. "

Therefore, the only “form of government” that is “guaranteed” is Republican because that “form of government” serves to protect the one from the mob because each “member of the Confederacy” is bound to each other ONLY for GENERAL WELFARE: simple treaty of protection (Book 1 Articles 192 and 196 of Law of Nations) NOT for "group think moral compass" (that would be "socialism")

The framers of the Declaration appears to have comprehend this one immutable FACT: When any government remains permanent, the ultimate result is despotic: "But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

The Articles of Confederation established the Charter for The United States of America which is "the true name of that grand corporation which the American people have formed, and the charter will, I trust, long remain in full force and vigor" - Hon. JOHN MARSHALL, Chief Justice of the United States, WILLIAM DIXON, ET AL. V. THE UNITED STATES 1811

The Northwest Ordinance holds all "property" (tangible and intangible property rights of the people) in trust and The United States is the municipal corporation established "In the Name of the most Holy & undivided Trinity" to "administrate the debt collection agreement" called Constitution ... each office/agency/division thereafter having been re-organized under the International Organization Act of 1945, thus and for now, all of this operates under International Law and Leiber Code is foundation for this current International Law and Articles 134, 38, 31 and 7 are VERY clear

Now examine Article 43 and 55 of the Hague and search for "peaceful" in this PDF then read "Essential Task: Restore Public Order and Safety" which should be the first occurrence for "peaceful" in that document. This is the international agreement resulting from Articles 134, 31, 38 and 7 of the Leiber Code (ie: Nation building 101).

This is where the BC and SSN come into play: an agreement that maximizes the benefits for both occupant and inhabitant ...

The "occupying state" (ie: CORPORATE GOVERNANCE) is the administrator and usufructuary which leaves the "inhabitants" as "naked owner" (ie: "CONSUMER") thru their own "corporation" (ie: CHRIST) called FIRST MIDDLE LAST (ie: your DBA name for "When in Rome ...") which would mean that this nation is currently being operated as a "confederacy of corporations" where the "individual rights" are upheld "through the corporation" (ie: person-hood) and wherein "images of God" (ie: mankind) are subject to "mob rule" where "the preponderance of the evidence" stands as King

(ie: 51% some "theory" may be true without any evidence in support = legalism = works not faith ... faith would be "evidence in support" ... "works" would be the mere "accusation" where in one must defend from "the attack" because this an "adversarial system" where "good and evil must be known" ... for example: driving without license only requires the proving that you were behind the wheel of the vehicle without license while never taking into consideration that in order to obtain the license one must FALSELY claim one is "US Citizen" without taking oath as prescribed with 2 Stat 153)

“the prosecution and defense compete against each other, and the judge serves as a referee to ensure fairness to the accused, and that the legal rules of procedure followed” = Adversarial = DEBATE = subject matter jurisdiction = court has "Right to Hear" by "operation of law" ... subject matter = the cause, the object, the thing in dispute = PROOF OF CLAIM that there is an "ACTUAL CONTROVERSY" (ie: some live-soul was actually harmed during the filming of this movie) and this is not just some "FRIENDLY SUIT" seeking some "advisory opinion" where any appeal will be denied because neither the appeals nor supreme court will issue "advisory opinions"

The people are merely "deceived" into being "surety" (ie: INSURANCE UNDERWRITER) instead of the "Act of God" (ie: INSURANCE EXEMPT) behind the "event registered" evidenced with the Birth Certificate (a valid Trust instrument) ... the people reject the Gift of Safe Harbor (a form of "shark repellent") because the "gift" comes from "government" which the people have been taught to hate and despise because of the corruption, but that is FALSE PREMISE because "government" is NEUTRAL; those "operating government" have become corrupt; thus it APPEARS "government" is corrupt: a car operated by a drunk-driver.

The FIRST MIDDLE LAST name for which one holds the receipt represents ONE SHARE of The United States of America (ONLY the people have Birth Certificates, thus have RIGHT to do this) and with the  file/surrender/release of the BC/DBA Certificate, the power of appointment is exercised and you become the sole shareholder and chairman of the board of directors for that international organization so organized: FIRST MIDDLE LAST.

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iamsomedude wrote
The united States of America is a confederacy which is an just an association of "people who govern themselves" formed by way of Declaration of Independence ... FIRST MIDDLE LAST is ALWAYS Citizen of the United States
OK.

TO me:

F M L
is
U S A


F L
is
Agent in US


*
F M

is Executor of the L estate

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iamsomedude wrote
The people are merely "deceived" into being

The FIRST MIDDLE LAST name for which one holds the receipt represents ONE SHARE of The United States of America (ONLY the people have Birth Certificates, thus have RIGHT to do this) and with the  file/surrender/release of the BC/DBA Certificate, the power of appointment is exercised and you become the sole shareholder and chairman of the board of directors for that international organization so organized: FIRST MIDDLE LAST.
No such share holder exists. You may have Frodo Baggins's Peppercorn but how does that get you to the shores of Valhala?

Doesn't one get ten such receipts? Would that not represent a 1/10th share of the dragon's gold?
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