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UCC-1 filing

Rschallmo
Boris

This morning I went to the secretary of states office and filed my UCC-1 and the addendum. I paid the $20 cash and they time stamped it.  An hour later I got a voicemail saying  "  The second debtor, the address listed is secretary of the Commonwealth, being our address. Unfortunately we can't except that so this filing is being rejected. If you want to give us a call back we can figure out how you want to handle this, if you want us to mail it back to you or do you want to come in and fill out a new one".

 How can they deny me this when they already took my money ? And why don't they won't their address to be on there ?
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iamsomedude
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because the Sec of the Commonwealth is not a debtor ... the State of Birth is the current TRUSTEE of the PROPERTY INTEREST, but NOT the debtor for the STATE is not the INTENDED BENEFICIARY of the NAME INTEREST, that position would belong to the UNITED STATES (executive office and treasury) and the VATICAN (catholic bishop of Chicago: monetization of sin), thus those are the debtors (usufructuary) with respect to the Estate (INFANT PERSON: NAME)

it is just that delivery has yet to be completed
~ Boris

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Rschallmo
 The second debtor was my first middle last name all capital 2.a organizations name ,the mailing address said the secretary of the Commonwealth.

 I'm looking at the  UCC financing statements from Florida  I did the same thing but Florida for has  mailing address line one and mailing address line two ,Massachusetts does not .  So 2.c on Florida forms line one said Florida secretary of state line two has their address. On my form instead of putting the address I just put secretary of the Commonwealth. You guys did it it flew through I did it and they said  we can except that. What did I do wrong?
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iamsomedude
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don't know which ucc is being referenced ...and I am not sure what that state accepts and refuses and how it determines as such.

I see things from all kinds of people that get them filed in their counties and states and when we bring the same down here; crash and burn.






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Rschallmo
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I understand now that the  secretary of the Commonwealth is not a debtor . You guys in Florida have Florida secretary of state as the additional debtor, they let you guys do it , my state wouldn't for whatever reason.  Would I put down do United States treasury?
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Rschallmo
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 I looked up the UCC you guys did down in Florida .

On line  2. for additional debtors , where I was born in Maryland but now live in Massachusetts can I put secretary of Maryland  down ?  Or would I put United States treasury and try that? Once I get this thing recorded I am going to put it in my county and my birth County. Not sure why you put Secretary of State as debtor.

 I was born at Andrews Air Force Base but now it's a different name did the same thing happened to you? Would I put Andrews Air Force Base c/o new name of hospital?  On my UCC that I filed that got rejected I just put down Andrews Air Force Base and the address .
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iamsomedude
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This post was updated on .

again, i am not sure to which one you are using because the one we currently have the debtors are the Executive Office of the United States, Treasury and Catholic Bishop of Chicago ... everything else is mere teaching material of which have served their purpose and are no longer needed.
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Rschallmo
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sorry for the confusion. I went into the archives and got it through the articles for inspection on Bailor/ Bailee  relationship . Is there a different way to do is?
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Rschallmo
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I called Massachusetts Secretary of State UCC  division to ask if I could make the correction online. It turns out it was rejected because they wanted the address instead of the name there ( I put  secretary of the Commonwealth  on the mailing address line 2c.).  On our forms it doesn't have two mailing addresses like the Florida UCC form.  I'm wondering if I should just put the Secretary of State's mailing address only  or are we doing it differently on the second debtors name?  If I put the address it doesn't give me a place to put their name. I know you mentioned the  executive office of the United States, Treasury and The Catholic bishop of Chicago. And how was that?
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iamsomedude
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Check it out on FloridaUCC.com ... search for catholic bishop of chicago

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Rschallmo
Ok I will make my changes.  I noticed in the box send acknowledgment  after I looked at it the two from Florida the PO box are different  and so are the cities, did you guys open up a PO Box? Also I noticed as the secured party both of you had the same city. Just wondering what I put?

On the  collateral  I noticed in the body of it it says " and witnessed by the hand of the current occupant of the office of the Secretary of state… On the sixth day of March… Certificate number… Is that the  authenticated certificate of live birth number from the state?
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Rschallmo
Another question I have is I know you guys already did UCC 1.is this in addition to what you did or can I just do this without doing what you guys did already?
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Here is my take on it

DEBT, noun det. [Latin debitum, contracted.]
1. That which is due from one person to another, whether money, goods, or services; that which one person is bound to pay or perform to another; as the debts of a bankrupt; the debts of a nobleman. It is a common misfortune or vice to be in debt
When you run in debt you give to another power over your liberty.
2. That which any one is obliged to do or to suffer.
Your son, my lord, has paid a soldier's debt
Hence death is called the debt of nature.
3. In law, an action to recover a debt This is a customary ellipsis. He brought debt instead of an action of debt
4. In scripture, sin; trespass; guilt; crime; that which renders liable to punishment.
Forgive us our debts. Lord's Prayer.
(PAY IS AN ACT)

PAY, verb transitive preterit tense and participle passive paid.
1. To discharge a debt; to deliver to a creditor the value of the debt, either in money or goods, to his acceptance or satisfaction, by which the obligation of the debtor is discharged.
4. To render what is due to a superior, or demanded by civility or courtesy; as, to pay respect to a magistrate; to pay due honor to parents.
(IT IS AN ACT OF PASSING SOMETHING)

DUE, adjective Du. [Latin , Gr., to bind. It has no connection with owe.]
1. Owed; that ought to be paid or done to another. That is due from me to another which contract, justice or propriety requires me to pay, and which he may justly claim as his right. Reverence is due to the creator; civility is due from one man to another. Money is due at the expiration of the credit given, or at the period promised.
6. That ought to have arrived, or to be present, before the time specified; as, two mails are now due
DUE, adverb Directly; exactly; as a due east course.
DUE, noun
1. That which is owed; that which one contracts to pay, do or perform to another; that which law or justice requires to be paid or done. The money that I contract to pay to another is his due; the service which I covenant to perform to another is his due; reverence to the creator is his due
DUE, verb transitive To pay as due [Not used.]
(THIS IS THE ACT)

DEBT'OR, noun det'tor.
1. The person who owes another either money, goods or services.
In Athens an insolvent debtor became slave to his creditor.
2. One who is under obligation to do something.
I am debtor to the Greeks and barbarians. Rom. I.
He is a debtor to do the whole law. Galatians 5:3.
3. The side of an account in which debts are charged.
(DEBTS ARE CHARGED AND DISCHARGED. THIS IS NOT THE SIDE OF THE ACCOUNT TO DISCHARGE)

UCC -9-102
Debtor" means:
(A) a person having an interest, other than a security interest or other lien, in the collateral, whether or not the person is an obligor;
(B) a seller of accounts, chattel paper, payment intangibles, or promissory notes; or
(C) a consignee.

Obligor" means a person that, with respect to an obligation secured by a security interest
 
ASSIGNOR', noun an assigner; a person who assigns or transfers an interest; as the assignor of a bill of exchange.
(YOU ARE THE ONE WHO HAS AN INTEREST AND TRANSFERRING IT TO BE DISCHARGED)

ASSIGNEE', noun A person to whom an assignment is made; a person appointed or deputed to do some act, perform some business or enjoy some right, privilege or property; as an assignee of a bankrupt. An assignee may be by special appointment or deed, or be created by law; as an executor.
(PARTY APPOINTED TO DISCHARGE)

NOMINEE, noun
1. In law, the person who is named to receive a copy-hold estate on surrender of it to the lord; the cestuy que use, sometimes called the surrenderee.
2. A person named or designated by another.
3. A person on whose life depends an annuity.

COLLATERAL, adjective
3. collateral security, is security for the performance of covenants or the payment of money, besides the principal security.

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You are the debtor that transfers its security interest to US Treasury /renders what is due to a superior. Your LAST NAME is an organization.
I am still searching on:
1e: type of organization
1f: jurisdiction (if created by US it should be US citizen)
1g: organizational ID - this could be a Birth Certificate Number (could be SS# though they say don't put any SS# on the form because it's public) or Assumed Business Name registration #)
4. collateral - i stated 'SECURITY INTEREST' because you assign/surrender your interest to the STATE. I am thinking about adding ' pay to order from the US Treasury to pay Verizon or JOHN A. DOE'

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I always thought of "social security" as 'public protection'.
Just crossed my mind this morning.
Privately placed security - Birth Certificate
Vs.
Social security - we apply. pay into each year and get benefits later on (if we live till that age) .

SO'CIAL, adjective [Latin socialis, from socius, companion.]
1. Pertaining to society; relating to men living in society. or to the publice as an aggregate body; as social interests or concerns; social pleasures; social benefits; social happiness; social duties. True self-love and social are the same.

SECU'RITY, noun. [Latin securitas.]
5. Anything given or deposited to secure the payment of a debt, or the performance of a contract; as a bond with surety, a mortgage, the indorsement of a responsible man, a pledge, etc.
6. Something given or done to secure peace or good behavior. Violent and dangerous men are obliged to give security for their good behavior, or for keeping the peace. This security
in being bound with one or more sureties in a recognizance to the king or state.

So I do't think for UCC-1 we need to use SS#.
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SECU'RITY, noun. [Latin securitas.]
5. Anything given or deposited to secure the payment of a debt, or the performance of a contract; as a bond with surety, a mortgage, the indorsement of a responsible man,

a pledge

, etc.
6. Something given or done to secure peace or good behavior. Violent and dangerous men are obliged to give security for their good behavior, or for keeping the peace. This security
in being bound with one or more sureties in a recognizance to the king or state.

So I do't think for UCC-1 we need to use SS#.
WARNING: After the first Post I inevitably will edit multiple times. It is suggested One reads the Forum and NOT rely on any emailed version. One using another's understanding is usufruct.