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iamsomedude
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posted Jan 28, 2016 by CharlesW.SmithJr.
I have a "true and correct" stamped copy of COLB from the courthouse, Does it ALSO have to be authenticated by SoS ? the double authentication seems redundant... Also, Are there any examples of other security instruments being indorsed and or assigned to look at ?





some_dude said Jan 28, 2016


you are correct .. it is redundant, but it is that redundancy that is required because of the NATURE of the AUTHENTICATION. You do not have to do the authentication, but that is your choice.

The DOCUMENT itself when authenticated becomes a FOREGIN JUDGMENT and COUNTER DEED and stands admissible AF IF it were the ORIGINAL. So, the one with the authenticated record is holder in due course of the resulting security entitlement which is where the surrender comes in to assign or indorse that interest over to the Treasury to get the entitlement.

All the entitlement does is allow you to issue order to the securities intermediary of which is the Department of Treasury, IRS.
~ Boris

We are called to be architects of the future, not its victims;
Resistance is futile.

If you think you can, you are correct.
If you think you can't, you are correct.





Ethan Edwin said Jan 28, 2016
Boris,

You wrote-

The DOCUMENT itself when authenticated becomes a FOREGIN JUDGMENT and COUNTER DEED


How does the BC BECOME a counterdeed? A counterdeed is:

A secret writing, either before a notary or under a private seal, which destroys, invalidates, or alters a public one.

Is the SoS a private entity? What mechanism is at work here? Can you share your thinking here Boris?

-Howie






some_dude said Jan 28, 2016

you answered your own question.


A counter deed is:

A secret writing, either before a notary or under a private seal, which destroys, invalidates, or alters a public one.


The REGISTRAR issues the PUBLIC DEED (meaning the DEED is for PUBLIC USE) and then you take that deed and send it up to SoS of the State and they VERIFY that it was issued by STATE; now you take that DEED and then get it AUTHENTICATED of which DESROYS the PUBLIC DEED because:


Action of the papacy

Innumerable pontifical documents attest the interest and zeal of the popes in behalf of hospitals. The Holy See extends its favour and protection to the charitable undertakings of the faithful in order to ensure their success and to shield them against molestation from any source. It grants the hospital permission to have a chapel, a chaplain, and a cemetery of its own: exempts the hospital from episcopal jurisdiction, making it immediately subject to the Holy See; approves statutes, intervenes to correct abuses, defends the hospitals property rights, and compels the restitution of its holdings where these have been unjustly alienated or seized.



so, the FACT is what?

The issuance of the Birth Certificate is ALREADY EVIDENCE the PERSON is NOT A UNITED STATES interest because of the Action of the Papacy, but since it was TRANSFERRED to the REGISTRAR, the UNITED STATES now must RETURN THE PROPERTY from being held in trust (Article IV Section 3 Clause 2 jurisdiction) when the PROPER OWNER comes forth.

The request to Authenticate is from the OWNER and HOLDER IN DUE COURSE so that party can exercise recoupment against the property so transferred under Cestui Que Vie Acts and since one is NOT a UNITED STATES CITIZEN, to claim to be one is actually a violation of 18 USC 911 - Citizen of the United States: Whoever falsely and willfully represents himself to be a citizen of the United States shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both since one can only be a US Citizen through 2 Stat 153; AND NOT OTHERWISE.

So, the AUTHENTICATION is EVIDENCE the BENEFICIARY of the CESTUI QUE TRSUT has come back to initiate proper "claim" to the PROERTY INTEREST HELD IN TRUST for the benefit of the RIGHTFUL OWNER of the ABANDONED INTEREST because that is the purpose for a CESTUI QUE TRUST: He who has a right to a beneficial interest in and out of an estate the legal title to which is vested in another ... the person who possesses the equitable right to property and receives the rents, issues, and profits thereof, the legal estate of which is vested in a trustee.

So, the AUTHENTICATION is evidence NAME is the CESTUI QUE TRUST and since you become HOLDER IN DUE CORUSE, you are the beneficial interest holder of the estate so AUTHENTICATED.

~ Boris

We are called to be architects of the future, not its victims;
Resistance is futile.

If you think you can, you are correct.
If you think you can't, you are correct.





Ethan Edwin said Jan 28, 2016
Boris,

Holy Shit! You are right:

IV If the supposed dead Man prove to be alive, then the Title is revested. Action for mean Profits with Interest.

[X2Provided alwayes That if any person or [X3person] persons shall be evicted out of any Lands or Tenements by vertue of this Act, and afterwards if such person or persons upon whose life or lives such Estate or Estates depend shall returne againe from beyond the Seas, or shall on proofe in any Action to be brought for recovery of the same [X3to] be made appeare to be liveing; or to have beene liveing at the time of the Eviction That then and from thenceforth the Tennant or Lessee who was outed of the same his or their Executors Administrators or Assignes shall or may reenter repossesse have hold and enjoy the said Lands or Tenements in his or their former Estate for and dureing the Life or Lives or soe long terme as the said person or persons upon whose Life or Lives the said Estate or Estates depend shall be liveing, and alsoe shall upon Action or Actions to be brought by him or them against the Lessors Reversioners or Tennants in possession or other persons respectively which since the time of the said Eviction received the Proffitts of the said Lands or Tenements recover for damages the full Proffitts of the said Lands or Tenements respectively with lawfull Interest for and from the time that he or they were outed of the said Lands or Tenements, and kepte or held out of the same by the said Lessors Reversioners Tennants or other persons who after the said Eviction received the Proffitts of the said Lands or Tenements or any of them respectively as well in the case when the said person or persons upon whose Life or Lives such Estate or Estates did depend are or shall be dead at the time of bringing of the said Action or Actions as if the said person or persons where then liveing.]


From the above:
...or shall on proofe IN ANY ACTION to be brought for recovery of the same [X3to] be made appeare to be liveing.


http://www.legislation.gov.uk/aep/Cha2/18-19/11#reference-c919470 

So, to clarify, one must get the BC VERIFIED by the SoS. Is this the federal or birth state SoS?

And, who does one send the BC to for AUTHENTICATION?

Dam good stuff Boris.

-Howie





some_dude said Jan 28, 2016

Send the Birth Record(s) up to the SoS of the Birth State for AUTHENTICATION FOR TAIWAN.

Some state issue a Certificate of Live Birth, some do not. So just send any certificates the Birth State does issue, this way you can just spare yourself any questions.

When the doc(s) come back, rinse and repeat with the SoS in DC.

We use Taiwan because, even though it is a recognized country, it is NOT a signatory to ANY HAGUE TREATY. That simple; No other reason.

You could use Canada, England, or even Bermuda (or is it Bahamas, I forget ... but whatever, you get the jist) because those are not signatories to Hague Convention Abolishing the Requirement for Legalization of Foreign Public Documents

APOSTILLE = PUBLIC
AUTHENTICATION = PRIVATE


~ Boris

We are called to be architects of the future, not its victims;
Resistance is futile.

If you think you can, you are correct.
If you think you can't, you are correct.




Bubba_Rhubarb said Apr 03, 2016
Just to confirm, those born abroad to American parents or having birth docs issued through the U.S. SoS are already self-authenticated. This includes standard military forms such as the FS-240 and AE-360, right?




some_dude said Apr 03, 2016

those are already issued by the trustees therefore really need no authentication and if my memory serves me correctly, even if you tried, the SoS would write back in a semi-redacted letter that further authentication is not necessary.
~ Boris

We are called to be architects of the future, not its victims;
Resistance is futile.

If you think you can, you are correct.
If you think you can't, you are correct.





Wil Le said Apr 06, 2016
Some very interesting language for For Quebec Canada doing a search for authenticate of birth certificate they use insertion of an act made outside Quebec

http://www.etatcivil.gouv.qc.ca/en/insertion-act.html#qui 

Insertion of an act made outside Québec into the Québec register of civil status

Insertion into the Québec register of civil status
Act of civil status made outside Québec
Juridical act made outside Québec

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http://www.etatcivil.gouv.qc.ca/en/insertion-act.html 

Insertion into the Québec register of civil status

Act of civil status made outside Québec

A person may apply to the Directeur de l'état civil for insertion into the Québec register of civil status of an act regarding a civil status event that took place outside Québec. The Directeur de l'état civil is the only public officer in Québec authorized to insert an act of civil status into the Québec register of civil status, and the Directeur can do so solely on the condition that the act concerns a person domiciled in Québec.

An act of civil status made outside Québec by a competent authority is a document to which the Civil Code of Québec grants semi-authentic legal status. After being inserted into the register, it is still a semi-authentic act. However, the act becomes authentic if its validity is recognized by a Québec court.

You may apply for insertion into the Québec register of civil status of an act of civil status made outside Québec for the following events:

a birth;
a marriage;
a civil union, if the legal definition of civil union at the place where the union took place is the same as that in Québec;
a death.
After receiving confirmation of the insertion of the act, you will be able to apply for a certificate or copy of an act.

Juridical act made outside Québec

A person may ask the Directeur de l'état civil to insert into the register of civil status a juridical act made outside Québec that amends or replaces an act of civil status already inserted into the register, for example, a divorce judgment, a judgment for annulment of marriage or a judgment of adoption. An indication may then be added to the act concerned. For more information on juridical acts made outside Québec that can be inserted into the register, please contact us.


Who can apply?

For insertion of an act of birth, a person may apply on his or her own behalf or on behalf of his or her child.



Establishing the applicant’s identity

Security measures are enforced to ensure that the person who applies for insertion into the Québec register of civil status of an act of civil status made outside Québec is authorized to do so. To that end, we require that every applicant (person making the application) include with the application two different documents issued by two separate bodies so that his or her identity can be established. You must therefore attach to your application:

a valid photo ID;
a valid proof of home address.
Important

For a list of the documents accepted, see the general information and instructions on the Application for Insertion of an Act of Civil Status Made Outside Québec into the Québec Register of Civil Status (PDF , 51,3 Ko) This link opens a new window.

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How to apply for insertion

To apply for an insertion, you must fill out the Application for Insertion of an Act of Civil Status Made Outside Québec into the Québec Register of Civil Status (PDF , 52,6 Ko) This link opens a new window. form. The form is available at our service counters or by contacting us. The form is also available on our website in PDF format.

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Documents required to be included with the application

Important

If you cannot supply an original document as required, the Directeur de l'état civil cannot process your application for insertion. You can then consult a legal adviser, who will be able to recommend the appropriate course of action for your situation.

If the act of civil status or the judgment to be inserted is in a language other than French or English, you must include an original French translation rendered or authenticated by a member of the Ordre des traducteurs, terminologues et interprètes agréés du Québec (OTTIAQ) This link opens a new window..

For the insertion of an act of birth, the following documents must be included with the application:

the original document certifying the birth issued by the officer of civil status of the country or province in which the birth took place (original of a copy of an act of birth or birth certificate or any other equivalent document certified to be a true copy);
a photocopy of a valid photo ID of the applicant;
a photocopy of a proof of home address of the applicant;
a photocopy of a proof of domicile in Québec of the person concerned by the act to be inserted if that person is not the applicant.





some_dude said Apr 06, 2016

The authentication of the birth record is for use and acceptance in YOUR jurisdiction.

Each man/woman stands a nation unto themselves and NOT a signatory to the Hague, therefore in order to AUTHENTICATE the act and deed, one needs to get the record of the act/deed authenticated from the United States for acceptance into one's NATIVE jurisdiction so one can initiate matters to achieve security of the person under the ICCPR in order the Treaty of Ghent "promise of everlasting peace" for the Treaty of Paris sovereign unto themselves as King/Queen inhabitant take effect according to the purport and tenor of the INSTRUMENT.

The BC is the "unexpressed private trust" which is just another fancy way of saying "Treaty of Peace of which when expressed shall conclude the War" and the only "restriction" is the "occupying army remain as a condition of the peace to administrate the agreement" and the agreement should "maximize the benefit to both the inhabitant and the occupying army"

There really is no wrong way to express the trust, for one just is expressing the self.
~ Boris

We are called to be architects of the future, not its victims;
Resistance is futile.

If you think you can, you are correct.
If you think you can't, you are correct.





Wil Le said Apr 07, 2016
Hello, question on Birth Cert for Canada. Do we still have authenticated for Taiwan, or for Canada? Both are Non Hague nations.





Wil Le said Apr 07, 2016
I have seen for the usa authenticated process it appears one can only get authenticated for countries which are not party to Hague Treaty . otherwise it is appostille.
~ Boris

We are called to be architects of the future, not its victims;
Resistance is futile.

If you think you can, you are correct.
If you think you can't, you are correct.